Religion - Do you know of any quality debates on whether Jesus is an eternal or created being?

Im particularly looking for a Trinitarian vs. Jehovahs Witness debate over the subject on the Internet. All Ive found so far are either Oneness Pentec

I'm particularly looking for a Trinitarian vs. Jehovah's Witness debate over the subject on the Internet. All I've found so far are either Oneness Pentecostal vs. Trinitarian debates or the related but different subject of Jesus being God. Thanks!

or:I'm particularly looking for a Trinitarian vs. Jehovah's Witness debate over the subject on the Internet. All I've found so far are either Oneness Pentecostal vs. Trinitarian debates or the related but different subject of Jesus being God. Thanks!

or:It is not reliable to let people tell you what the bible says. Many people will make up stuff because they don't know what it says, and many will make up stuff because they wish it would not say what it says. You just have to read it for yourself. Read a chapter of Proverbs every day. Proverbs has 31 chapters so you can keep your place by just looking at a calendar. There is no religion or nothing in Proverbs and you don't have to believe anything. Just read to find wisdom. When you are comfortable with that, then read the bible from Romans to 2 Thessalonians over and over until you start to remember what it says. That is the part that applies to Christians. Here is a book to help you to understand the bible. It's a free download and you can get a hard copy at any bible book store. www.philologos.org/__eb-htetb/ \"How To Enjoy The Bible\"A straight answer to your question hinges on learning what the words mean. \"Eternal\" does not mean the same as \"everlasting\". Jesus is not eternal because he was born at some time. He did not exist before that time, so \"eternal\" does not apply. Some people teach that he did exist before then, but that is just an example of making up things they prefer to believe. They will also try to tell you that Jesus is God, which is a pagan concept. They will quote John 1:1 \"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.\" That does not say Jesus, it says Word. Everything God does, He does by speaking it. You forget what you have been told and study the bible. That is the only quality source of information on the subject.

or:If you need to debate you are not looking for the truth but man's philosophies which has no basis on learning what the bible REALLY teach concerning Jesus Christ.Supporters of Christianity often feel that no religion can lay sole claim to truth.. Although cooperation and respect are touted, there is no agreed-upon blueprint for building faith. As a result, moral and doctrinal issues remain as divisive as ever.What is the origin of human philosophies? They come from people who have limitations: The Bible informs us: \u201cIt does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.\u201d (Jer. 10:23) History testifies that trying to ignore that limitation has not produced good results. The bible book of Corinthians will save you time and frustrations. 1 Cor. 1:19-25: \u201cIt is written: \u2018I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual men I will shove aside.\u2019 Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness [as it appears to the world] of what is preached to save those believing. .\u00a0.\u00a0. Because a foolish thing of God [as the world views it] is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God [as the world may see it] is stronger than men.\u201d (Such a viewpoint on God\u2019s part is certainly not arbitrary or unreasonable. He has provided in the Bible, the most widely circulated book in the world, a clear statement of his purpose. He has sent his witnesses to discuss it with all who will listen. How foolish for any creature to think that he has wisdom greater than that of God!You do not need a debate to answer your questions but a honest discussion and reasoning with the scriptures.

or:The Truth is never something to debate or be aguementative. The Bible is the true word of God, and it's not in God's genes to lie because God cannot lie (Titus 1:2). The Bible tells us Jesus is the Son of God (Matthew 3:17). The Bible also tells us that Jesus was created(Colossians 1:15). God was never created. Jesus was created before anything or anybody. The Bible even tells us that Jesus was God's only creation by himself, every one and everything else Jesus worked with his Heavenly Father to create it (Proverbs 8:30).On the topic about Jesus being God is never mention in the Bible, nor is the trinity ever mention in the bible. But the bible clearly identified who God is, let's look at a few of them:1) Psalms 83:18, \"May people know that you,whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the most high over all the earth.\" Yes God's name is clearly mention here and it stands out alone no third party or trinity is mention.2) Ephesians 4:6, \"One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.\" Yes because of our Dear God everyone and everything exits.3)John 3:16, \" For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.\"Without the ultimate sacrifice by our Dear God to gave up his beloved Son for us we will all be destroyed. 4) John 17:3, \"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.\" Our loving God made it possible for us to come into a personal relationship with him through his Son Jesus Christ.In all the four scriptures we are helped to understand that God, our Heavenly Father Is the Grand Creator and he uses his Son in accomplishing things. It's crystal clear that Jesus is not God and there is no three persons in one. In fact it is clearly stated in God's word that the Father and the Son are two different persons. God the Father created Jesus the Son and that the Father is always higher than the Son, in this case the Father is the greatest person in the universe, there is no one greater or higher than him, not even his beloved Son Jesus Christ.

or:If you are seeking what Jehovah's Witnesses believe please visit the official website at Jw.org

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